We speak to Anatol Lieven, Orwell Prize-winning journalist and author of ‘Climate Change and the Nation State: The Realist Case.’ He argues why security policy today such as the Cold War in the South China Sea over Chinese fortifications of islands will be irrelevant in a few years thanks to climate change, how security policy is stuck in the past over Russia and other issues, the obsession of military establishments with a new Cold War, why nationalism is needed to rally action against climate change, the factor of energy security in the fight against climate change, and more!
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